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MINUTES OF
SYMMES TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES
SPECIAL MEETING
May 7, 2007

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The meeting was called to order at 5:03 p.m.  Members of the Board present were:  Mr. Kenneth Bryant and Mr. Eric Minamyer.

Also present:  Gerald Beckman - Township Administrator; Carol Sims - Township Assistant Fiscal Officer; Chip Brinkman - Township Road Foreman.

The purpose of the Special Meeting was for the discussion of the intersection of E. Kemper and Pemmican Run.

MR. MINAMYER moved to appoint Carol Sims as Acting Fiscal Officer.  Mr. Bryant seconded the motion and the roll call vote was as follows: Mr. Minamyer - 'aye'; Mrs. Wagner - 'absent'; Mr. Bryant - 'aye'.

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Old Business

MR. BECKMAN reminded the Board that the Homearama will be located at The Vintage located in the City of Montgomery.  The intersection of E. Kemper and Pemmican Run, located in Symmes Township, is impacted by this development.

There is concern regarding a revised plan which reflects a wider curb cut to permit an easier turn for school buses.  This plan also reflects the installation of a catch basin which is located within 2.5 feet of a resident's driveway.  The Township requires a distance of five (5) feet.  If the developer, Great Traditions, re-locates this catch basin then a portion of the sidewalk would be four (4) feet rather than six (6) feet.

MR. BRYANT questioned why there would be a difference in the width of the sidewalk.

PAT ASHCRAFT, HAMILTON COUNTY ENGINEER OFFICE - Advised that regulations provide that if a sidewalk is within two (2) feet of the curb it has to be poured to the curb and if outside two (2) feet the sidewalk has to be four (4) feet wide.

DON ANDERSON, 8700- E. KEMPER ROAD - Stated he felt the Township should enforce the code as this is a very busy pedestrian access and this will become a safety issue.  The developer had promised in previous meetings that the roadway would not be closer than five (5) feet to the sidewalk. 

MR. MINAMYER stated he understands that the developer has already started this construction.

MR. BECKMAN stated that is correct.

MR. MINAMYER stated it appears that the second plan does impact Mr. Anderson's property.

JIM OBERT, GREAT TRADITIONS - Stated this is a road improvement and not a curb cut and therefore felt that a permit from the Township was not required.  Mr. Obert advised they have prepared a modified plan which will bring these items back into the Hamilton County right-of-way.

RICHARD  ARNOLD, McGILL SMITH PUNSHON - Submitted the modified plan to the Board and explained the changes outlined in red.  The intersection would go back to almost the original concept while still allowing a wider turning area for school buses.

MR. MINAMYER questioned if the school district had requested this change.

MR. BECKMAN stated this was changed due to concerns voiced by residents at a City of Montgomery meeting.

MR. MINAMYER questioned if the school district had ever been contacted to determine if this change was necessary.  Mr. Minamyer stated he felt the current problems were due to the lack of initial discussions with all interested parties. 

MR. ARNOLD explained the catch basin by Mr. Anderson's property would be abandoned and an existing catch basin along E. Kemper Road would be improved.  The turning movements into Pemmican Run would be returned to the original concept.

MR. BECKMAN explained that the Board may grant a variance to the Township's regulations that will not be contrary to the public interest and welfare based on undue hardships.  A bond would be required.

MR. OBERT advised he would be willing to post whatever the Township would require.

MR. BRYANT noted there are currently three plans - the original, the revised, and the modification.

MR. ANDERSON stated there is also concern regarding the placement of a fire hydrant on his property behind a fence.

MR. MINAMYER questioned where this fire hydrant was originally located.

MR. ANDERSON advised it was located on the street side of the sidewalk.

MR. OBERT advised that Cincinnati Water Works required this to be moved.

JEFF GARDNER, 8710 E. KEMPER ROAD - Stated that the plans presented to the City of Montgomery were incorrect and Great Traditions were asked to prepare new plans.  Mr. Carter noted he had not seen these new plans and expressed concern that the engineering is still not correct.  Mr. Carter also expressed concern that residents' drains have not been tried into the present system.  This is the only way to get rid of water from the roofs.

MR. ASHCRAFT noted only one drain pipe has been located.  Mr. Ashcraft stated that Hamilton County will work with any resident on this problem.

MR. MINAMYER stated the issue before the Board is to review the current request by Great Traditions.  The modification will remove the catch basin by Mr. Anderson's property and improve an existing catch basin.
 
MR. BRINKMAN stated he felt the revised plan is acceptable to the Township.

MR. MINAMYER stated he has concerns about the fire hydrant and questioned if the fence could be altered to provide additional clearance.

MR. ANDERSON stated the fire hydrant is located on his property and that it should be on the other side of the sidewalk.  Mr. Anderson stated he felt it was installed at this location because it was easier.

MR. MINAMYER directed the Township Administrator to look into this matter.

MR. BECKMAN advised he will continue discussions with the interested parties regarding this intersection.

MR. MINAMYER moved to amend the May 15 agenda to include additional discussion of the E. Kemper and Pemmican Run area.  Mr. Bryant seconded the motion and the roll call vote was as follows: Mr. Minamyer - 'aye'; Mrs. Wagner - 'absent'; Mr. Bryant - 'aye'.

The Board requested the Township Administrator to provide an update at this meeting.

MR. MINAMYER moved to approval the May 7, 2007 modification plan as presented for the catch basin and roadway and to direct the Township Administrator and Road Foreman to insure that there is an adequate bond to cover the Township on this project and to report to the Board any additional information.

MR. GARDNER expressed concern regarding the lack of communication between jurisdictions and suggested that the Hamilton County Engineer's Office develop a plan to make sure this does not happen on future developments.

MR. BRYANT noted there appears to be problem in notifying residents of pending driveway work and requested the Hamilton County Engineer's Office to provide sufficient notification to residents before beginning any work which will cause inconvenience.

MR. ASHCRAFT noted that he will look into this matter and work with the residents.

The meeting adjourned at 7:05 p.m. 

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